Well said, Lisa. You hit the nail on the head!

Have you considered voting for Ross Perot? :)

So, rather than take a chance on Romney you want to trash the country and give Obama a second chance? I don't buy it. You're a Democrat if you want more of the same for the next four years.

Thomas - YOU hit the nail on the head. Lisa is a troll. Anyone who has paid any attention to the last 4 years would vote for Romney in a second. Not voting is a vote for Obama.

...actually I would listening to the third party candidates this morning, and they appear to have more direction for the country than Romney or Obama. Remember there not beholding to their campaign contributors?

That is YOUR opinion Thomas. In fact most people I know feel the same way. Ridgewood Mom, i will vote 3rd party. I will not be a hypocrite and vote for either of the two on top. Romney is a joke who will try to take our country back to the 50's....

How exactly is Romney going to take us back to the 50's?

Pretty much the same for me except I'm a Democrat and I couldn't vote for Corzine, nor could I vote for Chis Cristie. I would have voted for Lonegan(sp) but the great Republican Machine didn't like him. So I didn't vote for governor.

We need to break this two party system. That would provide us with more and hopefully better choices.

Lisa, can you be more specific? Saying "Romney is a joke who will try to take our country back to the 50's" sounds personal and unsubstantive. What's holding you back?

Lisa, I do understand your feelings but as someone who voted for Obama and then spent 2 YEARS unemployed I feel we MUST give Romney a chance. Romney, I'm sure will surround himself with excellent advisors and hopefully will not stack his cabinet with his "friends" from Mass. I recall with horror how Obama gave positions to his buddies from Chicago including Eric Holder who I'm surprised actually HAS a law degree. Voting for a 3rd party candidate is taking the precious gift of voting and throwing it in the garbage. Thankfully I am employed now but the company I work for, formerly a profitable company, is doing poorly and I am again searching for work. I don't know how much more stress I can take. Four more years of Obama will destroy the private business job market. I implore ANYONE determined to "make a statement" by voting for a 3rd party candidate to reconsider. Thank you Lisa and whatever your decision I DO understand your concerns.

lisa, you have revealed yourself repeating talking points from MSNBC.

Agreed Thomas, she made it obvious she is a crazy left-winger posing as Republican by reciting their same old song & dance

Good lisa, Although you could never ever vote for Obama you decide that you will not vote for Romney either. So, by not voting for Romney you are allowing a vote for obama to stand therefore you are voting for obama...But yet they are both a piece of crap......Look in the mirror, You should live long enough to do what Romney has done for people in their personal lives......For God's sake read once in awhile and get you head out of MSNBC......"L"

Stuffin, surley you joke..A three party or more system could cause a President to be elected with 34 % of the vote....not smart

Amen !! Term limits would help, but then how would anyone get entrenched and rich off the backs of the American public? The horror! Biden in the real world? What exactly is he, or Rangel, or Lautenberg, or any of the other lifters qualified to be in the real world? They're not qualified for dog walker IMO.

Gah, that should read "lifers" not lifters. Boo.

While I agree with term limits in theory, the problem is that it won't be the political leaders who will "get rich" (though I am sure they still could), but the entrenched beaurocracy that would ensue...the people in the background that don't change with every election, would be the ones who get rich instead.

considering lautenberg, who had left office, came back because toricelli who was facing federal corruption charges, was losing!!! He votes the way HE wants, not the way the PEOPLE want him to vote.

huh? how's that?

Another thought: How about not being able to campaign for president for the entire 4 years you are in office? Between golfing and campaigning for the last 4 years Obama is obviously not the one running (ruining) this country (at least by himself)! No campaigning until 3 months before the election...plenty of time to make a decision (unless you are one of those "deep-thinking" independents).

they dont want the most qualified they want the most curropt. i just like listening to romney /obama "supporters" argue back and forth when it is painfully obvious they are both horrible. it just shows how blinded people are by party lines- if the GOP endorsed paris hilton theyd all pretend she was smart and qualified and vote for her.
Gary Johnson 2012- only honest man running.

Too much money. Look at all who benefit financially from our current election process. This is practically reality TV where the best candidate is the one with the most money. I thought McCain was the best Republican in 2000 and Huntsman this year but those with the money wanted someone else so that was that.

Willis - In a perfect world, we would have an informed electorate which would be able to decipher the differences among multiple candidates. With Civics lessons absent in schools, I really do not think that the average American voter is all that invested in the process and can barely name the two primary candidates in the upcoming race. As a result, your average "man on the street" votes on "feelings" or a media spoon-fed misconception of the candidates' positions. I would even go so far as to say that many who will be voting cannot even name our current vice-president. I would propose that to vote, one should need to pass a basic Civics exam. Not voting is OK in my book if you haven't taken the time to become informed about the issues or the candidates.

Psssst...George...I think you made a Boo-Boo. You meant Obama and his party's policies are beyond wrong, blah, blah, blah. Gotta re-read those posts before clicking "submit". Just trying to help!

The "truths" and "back tracking" you're seeing from Romney have always been his stand. These debates finally give Romney a chance to get his message out unfiltered by the liberally biased main steam media. What you've "heard" from Romney are Obama/Democratic talking points, misrepresentations and flat out lies designed to deflect attention from the fact that Obama's first term has been a disaster, and he has nothing new to offer to fix it in a second term.

I'm a conservative, usually voting for GOP candidates. Was Romney my first or even second choice? No, he was not. Is he the best chance for this country to regain its standing as the greatest country on this planet? Absolutely.

Da Poppa,

I would suggest that Romney getting his message out unfiltered was seen in its purest form during the speech where he made his now-infamous '47%' statement. That was a safe environment with no press and no known recording devices, and probably comes closer to capturing his true feelings than anything he would say when he knows the public is watching. What may be even more telling is that at first he stood by it as inelegant but accurate, but later said he was just flat-out wrong. I have my suspicions as to where he really stands on the matter, of course, but what is one to do when one is spoon-fed carefully designed untruths calculated to garner support? Should this be rewarded or punished?

"Menacing"? Is that like "Scary Black Man"? Would you have said the same thing if the president was also Caucasian?

C'mon, B@B. You're alleging racism where absolutely none is present.

I never thought of him as likeable but that being said in 2008 I voted for him because I don't vote on likeabilty. I would never vote for him again as he has been a disaster. All that "hope and change" talk was garbage. Now all we can "hope" for is "change". Vote him out!!!

B@B - It didn't take very long to inject race into the conversation now did it? Anyone who doesn't like Obama's policies is automatically labelled r-a-c-i-s-t! Too bad that label doesn't work anymore...you libs have used it so much that it now has no effect whatsoever which is too bad because when racism does rear it's ugly head we won't care (believe)! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

B@B - "Menacing"? Is that like "Scary Black Man"? Would you have said the same thing if the president was also Caucasian?

Newsflash!!! Obama is also Caucasian!!

Lying? I wouldn't say that. I would say each side thinks their side won. The republicans think Romney won, and the Democrats thought Obama won. Neither side really believes the agenda of the other side and feel like the other side is lying. Personally I don't think either side tells the whole truth, each are spin doctors. It is the nature of the beast. Unfortunately, this is going to be a close race, with no clear mandate from the American public, and neither is going to be able to accomplish much when they are elected.

It's an opinion, not a test. If you want to grade the debate, fact check. Obama lied on many topics that he spoke of.

No.

When Obama/Biden supporters say that Obama/Biden lost the first debate and won the other three, they are not making statements about whether or not they think one side made a better case then the other. They are referring to the publics' perception and not their own.

If we are talking about our opinions about who gave better arguments in any of the debates, then Obama/Biden supporters would have said that Obama/Biden won all four debates and Romney/Ryan supporters would have said that Romney/Ryan won all four.

Romney "lost" this debate just as he "won" the first one. That is not a statement of opinions about who made better points.

It is the height of bad sportsmanship to exploit humility on the part of Obama supporters this way.

Lying? Giving ones opinion on who they though won a debate doesn't qualify as a lie if it doesn't align with your opinion. You think Obama won? I disagree so I say you're lying. How silly can someone be.

Ridgewood Mom - It seems that the pundits and focus groups agree that Obama won the debate but did little to advance his cause for re-election. I would tend to agree with them. Romney chose not to participate in the fight (as much as I would have liked to see him on the attack - especially on the Benghazi incident). Romney came across as competent which was the only objective that needed to be achieved. Additionally, Obama was quite condescending in his body language and, at times, abrasive posturing. He came across to me, at least, as arrogant in his portrayal of his foreign policy acumen. I think he forgot, however, that he had little to no foreign affairs experience 4 years ago when running for the office he now holds.

Sorry but they are not lying. It is their opinion. In the first debate I agree it was not based so much on opinion. Even the media, who are generally in Obamas camp could not believe his pathetic performance that night. The other 2 debates have been toss-ups with who won clearly dileneated by party lines.

Lying about who "won" the debate.

The part of the debate when Obama said (about Romney's wanting to let GM fail) "go ahead, check it out, check it out"...well, we did check it out. Romney was telling the truth and Obama was lying...again.

Julles51, you're wrong. The headline of Romney's OpEd piece was "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt". Spin it any way you want, but the message was loud and clear. Romney said he didn't write the headline, but was "okay" with it.

Still with this garbage that Romney is "lying." first, it was a foreign policy debate, but Obama kept straying off topic and trying to get his lies out about what Romney has stated on domestic policy. Why try to drag the debate into the domestic side? Because youve been an utter failure on the international scene with your foreign policy blunders. Drag it back to domestic policy to deflect attention from your failures by stating lies about your opponents stand on issues. You really think Obama knows more about running a business and the fixing the economy that Romney? Four years of disastrous attempts to redistribute wealth, pad the pocket of his union cronies and the Obamacare tax that is already costing businesses and taxpayers money, And citizens their jobs is not enough? You think you need more time to decide his course is the wrong course?

Don't go by half truths and lies you see in a TV ad. And for god sake, don't listen to a President who is incapable of telling the truth.

what facts did Romney lie about?Are you calling him a liar because obama said so?

Yet in the first debate, Romney was rude, crass and completely disrespectful of the president. They want it both ways, yet when they didn't get a guy like Lehrer who simply rolled over they started blaming the moderators because Romney was exposed as the fraud he is.

Romney has been nothing but classy and presidential during each debate. Obama didn't show up for the first debate so why in the world would Romney be rude and sarcastic...to what? There was no one there! Obama behaves like a petulant child who isn't getting his way. We have spent 4 (more, actually) not being able to say "Boo" about Obama or his little feelings get hurt...or we're called r-a-c-i-s-t. He's the president for heavens sake...get a spine already.

Sorry Selene but early on and going forward Obama has been treated as if he is Jesus Christ returned to earth. The media from the first day of his 2008 campaign acted like he was a God and have continued with that belief. The public? They were, for the most part, from day 1 enchanted with Obama, his wife and his family. As far as the Governor of NJ goes, he has nothing to do with this story but I do recall a year ago he challenged Obama, who admitted he did not bother to try to enter the budget debate going on in Congress with the line - "then what the hell are we paying you for"? I don't care for Christie but his words ring true. What ARE we paying him for? He sure isn't doing much.

Michele, you may recall day one of the Obama presidency when your group was trying to say he wasn't really president because Chief Justice Roberts read the oath incorrectly.

That's substantive ?? Holy cow.. I think Romney had NO clue as to the military, international law, sanctions.. His answer to everything was "I'll yell louder".. sorry, but that is embarrassing and stupid.

DS, go back and read the transcript. Obama was wrong on most of what he said. Obama allowed Iran to get closer to obtaining a nuclear bomb. Obama apologized to our enemies and skipped Israel when he visited in the region. If Obama stands with Israel he would have prevented Iran from advancing their nuclear program.

DS, "Mr. President, the reason I call it an apology tour is because you went to the Middle East and you flew to — to Egypt and to Saudi Arabia and to — to Turkey and Iraq. And — and by way, you skipped Israel, our closest friend in the region, but you went to the other nations. And by the way, they noticed that you skipped Israel. And then in those nations and on Arabic TV you said that America had been dismissive and derisive. You said that on occasion America had dictated to other nations. Mr. President, America has not dictated to other nations. We have freed other nations from dictators." Mitt Romeny

DS - what debate were you watching? Obama was mean, nasty and wanted Romney to take the bait. Didn't work. Romney kept his cool and acted like a president as opposed to Obama who acted like a child. And, do you really want to bring up the word "fraud"? Obama is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people. He came in to the job with 0 experience and we STILL know very little about him and what we do know is VERY distasteful. His agenda is to tear down America until it is a mere shell of its former self. He will then rebuild it into a socialist utopia...think that sounds good? Wait till you are the small % who are responsible for supporting the rest...oh, wait, we're almost there!

These comments are very, very funny. DS is absolutely right. President Obama came into office and from Day One we had an opposition party that loudly and obnoxiously said they were going to "destroy" his presidency. Yet, when he's forceful and holds his opponent to his word in a debate, the Republicans say he's rude and testy. Really LOL.

Thomas - That was indeed the best line of the night. One commentator said something that stuck with me. He stated that Romney's persona was that of a sitting President while President Obama came across as the candidate running to unseat him. I think that after the first debate, the public got a peak at Romney and could not reconcile the image Obama and his party were trying to portray of the Republican candidate. With our current president, it is a classic tale of The Emperor's New Clothes. President Obama's record does not match up with what he is trying to feed us. Simply put, we are not better off four years later and reality presents us with quite a different truth than our President would like us to believe.

And yet Bush in 2002 said he wasn't concerned about Bin Laden and Romney said “it’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.”

Luckily President Obama thought otherwise.

Obama didn't move heaven and earth to get Osama. He had to be torn from the golf course and CONVINCED to pull the trigger (not literally although you'd think he pulled it himself!). And you're right, he did nothing for the 4 Americans in Benghazi except lie over and over about it. He got caught...shame Romney didn't call him on it better. There must be a reason Romney didn't...he'll tell us after he's sworn in!

obama needed ben laden dead so he had something to campaign with. The 2 best things he claims he got done was GM and ben laden. He bailed out GM and now they have sent jobs to china and GM still is on the verge of failing.

Jules 51 actually most told Obama not to do it. He took a chance that was politically unpopular. He made the decision to do what was best for the American people, not was was expedient for his own career.
Meanwhile Romney said he would “work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity” of a foreign policy crisis. That's why his blunder at an attempt to politicize Benghazi failed.

@BellairBerdan Politicize benghazi??? The American people want to know what happened!! Obama knew with in hours that an attack was happened and did NOTHING!! He left our men to be slaughtered. The he sent rice and clinton out to lie. Now he wants us to wait until after the election to find out what happened?! This is what happened:http://audio.wrko.com/a/64657882/col-hunt-on-the-newest-libyan-revelations.htm

L Dellano you may want to look further into the case and you will see your case is wrong. It may even be safer to say that Bush and Romney wanted Bin Laden alive so they could continue to use him to scare the American public. If it wasn't for President Obama you would be using the same tactics as you did in 2004 and 2008, who would keep us safer. Now that that is settled you are at ease to say it's all about the economy. You can thank President Obama for that.

@Tammy, I call him obama too. He does not warrant the respect. He's a condescending politician. obama had no experience to be president. He was a city organizer. He's been associated with too many questionable people. All is college transcripts are sealed by his own EXECUTIVE ORDER. So much for transparency...

L. Dellanno, your comment is beyond the pale. You do nothing to further your agenda when you openly and proudly show disrespect for the president - no matter who he is. It's the ultimate show of unpatriotic behavior and you should learn to temper your childish comments.

@Jeffrey Boyle, I respect the position of the President of the United States but obama disrespects that office. He is not doing his job. He has had no budget for 4 years, he's ruined the economy, half the world hates us, he left 4 Americans to die. He didn't earn my respect. My patriotism is to my country, not to a person!!

Maybe we learned how to disrespect a president during the Bush years when we were littered with daily diatribes/death threats/Bush hanging from trees (racist, maybe?), etc. The list goes on and on and on. We just figured we'd start behaving like you liberals. Oh, how are those thousands of death threats against Romney working for you?

Indie with all do respect WHO cares what DEMS and REPS say and who cares who won the debate the most important issue here is JOBS AND THE ECONOMY and the President has been nothing but a failure even when the DEMS controlled both the house the senate and the white house he still got nothing done. I dont think the Man or Woman looking for a job or the unemployed recent college grab gives a Rat's A@@ about Foreign policy and the winner of the debate they want to hear how Obama is going to fix the mess that he promised to fix and did not. At least Romney has a record to run on Obama well...now that is another story...and don't fool yourself his record Domestically is horrible! Facts are Facts cant run from them now because its not convenient for your argument does not work that way. Just sayin

What nonsense is being spewed here with alacrity. Go back and read what you wrote and restate your neutral position. I am very neutral but I hate all things that are Republican. You pose as neutral, but your words betray you.

letsgetreal, when the Democratic Party controlled the House, they didn't have a filibuster proof majority, and the GOP halted EVERY bill initiated by the Democratic Party. You either have a very short memory, or are sadly lacking facts to support your erroneous claims. In terms of a record, are you aware that when Romney was governor of MA, that state ranked 49th out of the 50 states in job creation? As you said, facts are facts. So much for your theory.

nope still neutral, voting gary johnson because i believe in the constitution. just pointing out observations. its a fact that 1/3 less of the wealthy invest and a lot of them do just so obama fails so they can pay less taxes- its tough for the economy to pick up when the people with the majority of money are sabotoging the economy on purpose. not to mention all the global crisis' going on, however people like to pretend we live in a vacuum and none of that effects us. im neutral and believe obama n romney are equally bad.
can you honestly tell me romney has not been changing his stance on many issues from the primaries til now? i assume your just a fox news sheep (dont worry im neutral and think the msnbc sheep are just as bad)

letsgetreal, maybe Romney will open a buggwhip factory or a knight in shining armor suit factory too

Romney stated the Navy was asking for a specific number of vessels. The Presidents ignorant comment regarding bayonets, didn't need a repsonse as he made himself look foolish....at least to those who've been issued bayonets in the last 20+ years..

NJarhead, as long as you are choosing to focus on a single word, the President said LESS bayonets than 1916

That clearly shows ineptitude, as the correct word would be 'fewer', not 'less'.

One of the reasons I'm not voting for Romney. My eldest will be of draft age during a second Romney term. With a huge number of W's former foreign policy advisers working for Romney, I refuse to sacrifice my child so somebody can make a profit. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Mike - When did Obama put an end to Bush's draft? I must have missed it when my son was sent to Iraq by Bush...oh, wait! I never happened! What a moron.

"it" never happened.

Listen you can say what you want but Obama has been a failure period you cant argue the numbers and to continue drinking the cool aid is like watching a freight train head straight at you. I am a undecided and the two things that Obama is going to do is continue to kill jobs with his policies and raise the capital gains tax which is going to crush any retirement savings I have...Unless your self made and have no financial concerns then yes continue drinking the cool aid and vote for Obama if not at least consider giving someone with a background in Business a chance hell we gave a Community Organizer a chance and look where it got us!! LOL Like Romney could do worse .....? Paleeezee

Boy do you open the door with comments like that! The real Romney?? How about the real Obama? There's not enough comment space for me to list the contradictions about Obama - at least those things about him that we're allowed to know. Very first thing Obama did as president - sealed his records. Does that tell you NOTHING?

Ann Ann man stop listening to MSNBC the facts that Obama threw out about Romney were all fact checked and he was wrong on almost all of them...they are called talking points...its the game. Read up on what Romney said about the Auto industry...he said the Gov should NOT be investing in Companies and HE IS RIGHT....now we own it and they never paid us back thats TERRIBLE. And do you HONESTLY think he isnt for equal rights for woman and pay ...are you living in 1950? Why would any candidate commit to something so stupid ask yourself that out loud and maybe it will make more sense. Also do you really think he wants the Auto industry to Fail...come on your not that ignorant I just dont believe that. If your a middle income earner and work hard for what you have then you know just how bad this President has done with our economy and jobs...and when was the last time a President passed a law that gave woman lower wages or denied them their rights. If we want to start listing conflicts with statements then where are all the jobs Obama promised, where is the flourishing economy he promised. Why is unemployment so high in America, and why is our GDP at its lowest in history? And for god SAKES please dont blame BUSH that is old and beaten to death. Stop drinking the Cool-Aid. Oh and by the way when the company you work for says Uh we are going to stop offering health care you must go to the Obama plan dont come crying then...you were warned! you might wanna read up on it.

Henry this is what Capitalism is based on the Private sector taking care of its own...your now used to the GOV rushing in and throwing money at the problems which is bankrupting our future. Honestly Henry if you owned a company and were faced with either shutting down and laying everyone off or down sizing and saving 50% of the jobs what would you do. Neither you or I are qualified to speak on Bain Capital....your using DEM talking points. And Obama has killed the Coal industry in Kentucky and West Virginia so they are even. Really is this what we are talking about? Business' in this country cannot be run like big Gov and yes sometimes people get laid off its called Fiscal adjustments which save Companies rather then shutting them down.

Romney is a "model of success"? Is success having your state rank 49th out of 50 in job creation while you're governor? Is success flip flopping in every single issue depending on your audience? Is success being born on third base and acting like you hit a home run? I see way too many similarities between Mr. Romney and George Bush - and we all are the unfortunate victims of his 8 years in office.

R-A-C-I-S-T! Jeez, when will you ever learn. We'll repeat it for the slower people. We...don't...hate...Obama...because...he's...black. We...hate...him...because...he's...an...inept...president. And no, he's not a good man.

Ann, do you know how much money the government contributes to PBS? Million! Plus, they run their fund raiser every few months? The CEO of PBS makes more money then Romney! Do your research. Oh, by the way I LOVE PBS. I just don't think the government should be funding them.

Are you sayin we should keep funding Amtrak? Didn't Obama say he would go line by line in the budget and cut what's not working? Is losing nearly a billon on food sales an example of not working?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/us/politics/amtrak-lost-834-million-on-food-in-last-decade-audit-finds.html?_r=0

PBS makes plenty. As a not for profit they don't even pay income taxes.

We spend nearly $2 trillion more than we take in. You don't want to cut Amtrak or PBS or Medicare or anything.........

now what? Just keep borrowiing from China - OBAMA Says this is BAD but does it anyway.

The only problem is that if we're even talking about PBS in terms of cutting the federal deficit, we're missing the forest for the pine needle. Sure, cut out that .012% of the budget, great. I'd just rather see us tackle the big numbers that will actually get us somewhere first. This is like slapping a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.

Are you sayin we should keep funding Amtrak? Didn't Obama say he would go line by line in the budget and cut what's not working? Is losing nearly a billon on food sales an example of not working?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/us/politics/amtrak-lost-834-million-on-food-in-last-decade-audit-finds.html?_r=0

PBS makes plenty. As a not for profit they don't even pay income taxes.

We spend nearly $2 trillion more than we take in. You don't want to cut Amtrak or PBS or Medicare or anything.........

now what? Just keep borrowiing from China - OBAMA Says this is BAD but does it anyway.

Why do Demcrats demogogue spending and debts but when its time to cut something to reduce the debt, it's always too small, too critical, too something......it's the NIMBY mentality. Well folks, we got this gigantic big gapping hole called the debt and it's $16 trillion and growing......where should we start? Big Bird seems like he can stand on his own two feet

Let's think of it as a fundraiser. our goal is $2 trillion and our prize is a BALANCED BUDGET. The first contribution can even be raising taxes for this exercise. That lowers is $100B. Our new goal is $1.9 Trillion

Please identify the cuts to make so we can all win the BALANCED BUDGET PRIZE

Some more info for everyone.

Sesame Street invests in hedge funds and private equity......isn't that ironic.

Amtrak - from the budget

On another coincidental note, Amtrak's budget mirrors the Federal Budget

Revenues $2.8 B
Expenses $3.9 B
budget DEFICIT $1.1 B

Right up there with the post office for examples of effective government run operations don't you think.

3 names for you

Harry Reid
Nancy Pelosi
Barry Hussein Obama

It is halloween but those 3 are just monsters!!

Lindsay - Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago? I think that is pretty much what this election (and every election for that matter) boils down to. You may be comfortable making excuses for a President who could not deliver on his promises. I'm not prepared to do so particularly since President Obama has expressed no new and improved policies going forward. He was a sitting Senator before coming into the Presidency. To claim ignorance over the condition of an economy over which he was governing would lead me to think that he was not up for the job the first time around. I'm ready for some change right about now. We can argue over winners of debates, but I think there have been very few undecided voters out there for quite a while now. If the numbers continue to trend the way the pollsters are presenting, my gut tells me we are looking at a new president come January.

I think Obama should also be required to know that the marines still issue bayonets and use them. So we have fewer horses but probably MORE bayonets than we used to.

XJS your data on that please, not your made up numbers, real facts.

Bellair -
http://www.marines.com/operating-forces/equipment/weapons/bayonet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet

Get it Bellair? They issue bayonets.

Numbers wise, I'm seeing "about 200,000" on every google search I run looking for the number of active marines & 40,000 reservists. That's 240,000 bayonets. Additionally, the army apparently has a bunch out there too (although they no longer train in it).

How many active duty military were issued bayonets in 1916? Apparently less.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/10/23/not-to-be-a-stickler-on-bayonets-but/

More bayonets seems a bit of a stretch. it seems that we produced some 1.5 million of them between 1942 and 1943 alone.

What a bunch of morons looking up information on Bayonets and horses. The point was clear. You would be better off buying Rmoney a map of the Middle East so at least he knows where Iran is.

XJS, no one said they didn't issue bayonets anymore. They issue less. If this is really a point you and yours need to argue about I feel sad for you if that's all you got. Dwelling on such minutiae you should join the Rainman Party or at least Cavalry Men for Romney http://cavalrymenforromney.com/

Bellair - Let's not be ridiculous here.

I agree the comment Obama made was funny. However, he meant it in such a way that he was saying "They're outdated." My point was they're still in use. He doesn't seem to know standard marine issue. FWIW, I doubt Romney does either. I sure didn't until a retired marine friend made the point. Last night I laughed when Obama said it. It was (and remains) amusing.

However, Bellair, YOU brought up "show me the numbers".

Now that I have, you have no leg to stand on and continue with your drivel. Admit you're wrong & we're done. Thanks for the fun, but until you actually make a relevant point or objection, I'll refrain from answering you again. BUT if you continue to argue with me about numbers, I'll continue to bury you - like I do in every thread. Because you don't like or seem to understand the difference between fact and fiction.

JD- 1916 not 1945. 1916 was not wartime (we didn't even really gear up to enter it).

Dan - agreed on the map. I'm not interested in voting for Romney personally & only pointed to numbers b/c Bellair made a big deal out of it.

umm XJS, just an FYI...remember there was a WWI? Want to guess what years that was? Perhaps your lack of knowledge is why you misunderstood that "less" does not mean "none".
It's time for Wapner, Rainman.

swamps nice work on that.....it's like being behind 42-0 in the first half and then the losing team outscores their opponent 10-7 in the 3rd and 6-3 in the 4th.

Final Score 52 -16

Obama will never recover from his LOSS in the 1st debate. People saw him as the fraud he is. You can't put the crap back into the horse

I'd be good with Trump but he and Romney have the same business credentials. Obama couldn't hold either's jockstrap