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Will Mayor-Elect Jackson Be Able To Heal A Divided Town?

Karen Turner seeks to set the record straight Wednesday

 

 

Robert Jackson, elected mayor Tuesday night by a wide margin—and others on his Montclair 2012 slate—have vowed to move Montclair forward and to start the healing process following a long and contentious race.

"I guarantee you there will be a big difference. A new Montclair. A new future," he told supporters Tuesday night.

But will he be able to bring together a town that became increasingly divided between supporters of three very different slates over the last few weeks?

Tim Barr, who ran as an at-large candidate on the For Montclair slate, said there absolutely has to be some healing.

"We all care about the town ... I think it would be helpful for [Jackson] to use the ideas of those who didn't get elected ... I think many of those who ran had some good ideas that will be worth listening to," he said.

Fifth District Freeholder Brendan Gill said he also hopes Jackson will reach out to those he beat.

"I think he should call those people and sit down with those people and mend fences so to speak," he said. "Asking what they think should be done as a sign that you will be an inclusive leader.

"The worst thing is when good people run for office and then you never hear from them again," he said.

Gill noted that politics is such a funny business in that, if six out of 10 people are happy with what you're doing, you are a superstar.

Former Mayor Bob Russo, who won an at-large seat on Jackson's Montclair 2012 slate, said he hoped people would be able to put aside their differences and work towards a better Montclair.

"We're going to have to work together," he said.

But it may take awhile.

In the last few weeks, the race—especially between the Montclair 2012 and the Real Progress Montclair slates—grew increasingly heated.

Montclair 2012 accused mayoral candidate Karen Turner of being against beloved Montclair institutions such as the library and the pre-k.

On Wednesday morning, Turner emailed out an audio recording that, she says, proves she is not against the arts or the library.

A few days ago, Montclair 2012 had emailed out a press release that included an audio tape of Turner’s remarks at a Sept. 30, 2010 council meeting in which she seemed to question the need for the Montclair Public Library, arts programs and funding for shade trees. Listen to the audio here.

Turner said Wednesday morning that she's "mortified that people might believe I don't support the arts or the library. I never said anything about the pre-k in this audio. They cut, paste, and dubbed this audio recording. Too little too late, I know, but if you listen to the whole thing, it shows that I was asking questions about the library, not suggesting to close it, and it stated I support the arts and shade trees. I also make an offer to help the town deliver a balanced budget. I also give Renee [Baskerville] a shout out of support in this audio for the ideas she suggested."

In a later email, Turner said: "I just went back and listened to the one used by Jackson. They didn't dub, but they certainly took it out of context."

Listen for yourself as the full video, emailed by Turner, is attached. 

Meanwhile, many of the candidates who ran were gracious in defeat on Wednesday morning.

Jeff Jacobson, who ran in the third ward on the For Montclair slate, said he was not surprised by Jackson's victory.

"Anyone who saw Mr. Jackson's performance at the CGI debate at the High School should not be surprised," he said. "He gave a commanding performance, answering tough and unpredictable questions thoughtfully and always with a positive spirit.

"I later watched him answer questions from a restaurant full of Republicans and do much the same thing," he added. "That Mayor-elect Jackson loves Montclair and has a bold vision for its future is not remotely in doubt. And if he is able to run Montclair as effectively as he ran his campaign, we'll be in good shape."

Jackson ran on two sweeping themes—more development for Montclair to bring in new tax ratables and selling municipal services to neighboring towns through more shared services agreements.

"The voters gave him nearly his entire slate to be his partners on the council," Jacobson noted. "It therefore will be easy for the voters to judge his performance.

"We should all wish him and the new council well and support them however we can," he said.

Deputy Mayor Kathryn Weller-Demming, who had run as an independent at-large candidate, said Wednesday that she is thrilled with the results of the election.

"I think the voters of Montclair made really great choices, and we will all be well served by the 2012-2016 Montclair Township Council," she said. "I have really enjoyed serving the residents of Montclair, and feel truly confident that the accomplishments of the past few years will be exceeded, and we will all be able to remain in the community with values that we love."



Related Topics: Local Election 2012

montclairdad

7:53 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Congratulations to Mr. Jackson and Co. You weren't my choice, but I hope you succeed in proving me wrong the next four years. Please fix our town. My family would like to call Montclair home for (most of) the rest of our lives. A sentiment I'm certain is shared by many others. Good luck.

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mark haefeli

8:33 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Well done...and congratulations to all candidates. The stiring of the political debate is what makes a democracy just that.

Now let's get it together...and move on. Thanks Mr. Jackson for stepping up...now the follow through.

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CMFAS55

8:47 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Mark Haefeli - you should be ashamed of yourself for your posts yesterday. Your posts weren't part of the "stirring debate" but instead were just attacks, insults and accusations against candidates. You represented the worst of the town.

Montclair 2012 - good luck, the town put it's trust in you and we hope that your leadership makes Montclair better off in 2016 than it is in 2012

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notroc

7:13 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Hey, CMFAS55 - Mark's "accusations" actually were truthful, aside from identifying Karen's college as being in Vermont. This ordeal has been painful for all of us to observe or live through, but it was "Real Progress" which rammed us down the low road, even in choosing such a deceitful, cynical name for their slate. You and your fellow travelers engage in a little too much projection, among other faults. Although Karen and LeeAnn individually might (although I doubt it) be able to help the town, for that particular slate to have won or even hold a significant number of Council votes would have been a disaster from which this town might never have recovered. Think of Bush's and Christies' "mandates".

soccerdad

8:54 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Mark H...I will never be able to look you in the eye again. Your comments over the past few weeks were mean, divisive, hypocritical and unnecessary. You didn't make this a debate...you just spewed out ignorant attacks. You obviously don't care, since you had no shame in attaching your name to your comments, but I'm sure you lost a friend or two.

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mark haefeli

10:40 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Unlike you, I never have hid behind the vail of secrecy or anonymity. Can you be a bit more specific in your allegations? I simply mentioned the educational institutions, professional work place experience, and civic responsibilities, direct newspaper quotes, of a few candidates in less then four postings over the course of the campaigns! By the way, they were all direct lifts from the Montclair Times! But, thanks for the power!
I think there was a lot more divisiveness, mean spirited allegations, and unnecessary rhetroic amongst the candidates themselves don't you? I say, play on and lets get done what needs to be done soccerdad! Oh by the way, i will still be your friend...:)

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notroc

7:27 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I've known Mark for almost 20 years, and although we are not close friends, I don't think I have ever been more positively impressed by him. When I grow up, I want to have stones as big as his. Speaking truth to power does demand courage. Attacking the less fortunate only avarice and cowardice. Thanks for exposing yourself to risk on our community's behalf, Mark.

Shelley Emling

8:59 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I think this shows that it will take some work to bring the town together.

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Right of Center

9:00 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

One year from now I predict taxes will be 6.5% higher and the municipal budget will be 10% greater.

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HCKid

12:32 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Hey you couldn't predict this election; now your predicting tax rates.

CMFAS55

9:07 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Will we have to vote on that if taxes increase through the 2% cap Christie put in place? Even if it comes to a vote, there is no doubt the town will support exceeding the cap based on this election.

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A. Gideon

9:25 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

"Even if it comes to a vote, there is no doubt the town will support exceeding the cap based on this election."

If the cap is anything like the cap for the schools, then there are exceptions for costs like health care. Considering that that's one of the major drivers, it would be a mistake to depend too heavily on the cap being a "hard" cap.

...Andrew

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montclairgurl

9:50 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

The cap doesn't include cost of living increases, health care increases, and other employee benefits. I agree, we will likely be seeing something along the lines of $6.5% to 8% next year.

Richard J Terrio

9:18 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

congrats to all workers, unions and suppliers who rely on Montclair's budget largess for their existance...you just dodged a bullet

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Right of Center

9:19 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

"Will we have to vote on that if taxes increase through the 2% cap Christie put in place?"

Health benefits and pension benefits are exempt from the cap. i.e. union benefits set to increase! Debt service is exempt. (borrow!)

There are other ways around the cap. Back doors were negotiated into the cap to get it past a democratic legislature.

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A. Gideon

9:29 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

"Debt service is exempt. "

Ugh! I didn't know this. I expect we'll see more items that should be operating costs (repairs, for example) being placed in the capital budget.

Are there any rules - not principles, but hard and enforceable rules - regarding what a municipality can place in a capital budget?

...Andrew

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Stu's Wife

10:01 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

So what is a 2% tax increase plus the cost of increased benefits and debt service equal to? Very leaky cap indeed.

profwilliams

9:21 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Dang folks, I smiled and thought, reading the first few comments that all will be better... Then I get some folks not being able to look others in the eye, and RoC bringing me back to earth with basic, Montclair math.

(And Mark, I read your posts as full-throated yes, but offensive no. I'll still call you friend because you started with a comparison of relative experience and credentials, to that Jackson wins. This was also apparent to me during the debate I heard, he was easily the most impressive and knowledgeable. So while I didn't vote for him, I'm sure he'll work hard to make Roc's Montclair math come true, as I suspect Turner might have too considering our form of Gov.)

Oh, well. I wish Jackson Well.

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mark haefeli

10:58 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Thank you professor. My true hope is that all the candidates understand that no one is a looser in this election, some will just carry a title. Civic duty is an extraordinary gift to society. If we can all can work for the common good, those who won with those who did not, chances are some amazing things might happen. It is always interesting to see who does stick around, win, loose or draw, after the smoke clears. Hopefully all will, because keeping the political debate alive, makes the subject all the more important and vital.

PS... "Thought for The Day"...about 2.5% or less, (total), of every single male/female, soccer, lacrosse, baseball, softball, or other little league sport playing child under the age of 11 in this town, will be playing a D1 sport in college...so go easy on the kids please. Let coaches do the coaching and the kids may even enjoy themselves!

hereswhatithink

9:36 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

At this point Turner should be trying to start unifying the town and encouraging people to move forward rather than still trying to justify what she said and did not say.

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montclairgurl

9:53 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

At this point, if i were Turner, I'd be writing a letter to the NY Times for that piece of propaganda that ran right before the election. She needs to step back up to the plate with CCM and remain a voice for fiscal sanity. Otherwise we'll continue to borrow our way into oblivion. I see a whole new fleet of garbage trucks and some great affordable housing units being built very soon.

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Kevin

11:30 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I hope that Karen, LeeAnn and the rest of the CCM members do remain a voice for fiscal sanity here however considering the way the previous council treated them, I don't hold out much hope for that to happen.

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David Grill

4:42 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

And affordable housing is a bad thing??

steve jones

10:01 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Jeff J. is clearly a class act. Wow. Talk about a class gracious guy.
I am thrilled that Progress Montclair got their heads handed to them. While they might be smart credentialed people, they came off a smug, elitist and extremely in your face. They were getting direction from professional politico types who were obviously giving them the usual advice "when you get poked in the eye with a stick, blow their head off with a bazooka", when someone criticizes your position, attack their credibility. Typical stuff. Glad people saw through it for what it was. Nasty unpleasant stuff. If they were actually calling their opponents before the polls were closed warming them that they were going to lose and be shunned around time that's shameful.
Massd mailings at 5pm on election day threatening people about property tax increases is lame.
I know the "guru" who ran their campaign. A long track record of losing everything in sight. Spends way too much time listening to the Rush Limbaughs and Karl Roves of the world I would guess.

To build a slate without a single qualified person of color in Montclair. That takes major chutzpah.

As others have pointed out, there will be a lot of tears and hand wringing about high taxes and how we may need to leave town at Bradford and the Montclair Golf Club this weekend.

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Robin Hoffman

10:08 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Agreed on Jeff. I voted for him, which appeared to be the kiss of death. Everyone I voted for came in last or close to the bottom. I hope Mayor-Elect Jackson sees what an asset this guy could be to Montclair and includes him in an integral way in his council.

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citizen

10:40 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Real Progress Montclair was the least political of all three slates that ran, which is why they did not send out any vicious attacks the day of or days leading up to the election. Lame is cutting a 10 second sentence from 2010 asking if certain things were in fact needed in this town, out of genuine curiosity, and framing it to make Karen Turner along with the rest of her slate look as if she opposed buses and the montclair library.

Shelley Emling

10:09 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Jeff is indeed a very smart guy...

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Ron Mullen

11:38 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

jeff who? What's his last name?

Crafty Spiker

10:24 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I don’t think I’ve seen an election where the choice was clearer. What I can’t understand is the outcome.

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Peter Simon

10:30 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

There's a lot of hand-wringing and hyperbole here today, but why not step back and think about the tactical reality of the RPM campaign? They were running in a town a quarter of which is African American. They did not find an African-American candidate to join their slate (I'm sure they tried, behind the scenes, but clearly didn't succeed), nor did they recruit a prominent advisor or spokesperson from that community. That handicapped their campaign from the starting bell.

Although at the level of ideas RPM may have argued that they were representing the interests of ALL of Montclair, the "optics" of their platform and slate sent all the wrong signals to the African American community and to the people who conceive of themselves as strong proponents of racial and economic diversity.

I certainly don't blame RPM for running with the slate that they had (since they were clearly genuine in their sense that the town's financial situation was/is dire), but it is odd that their supporters can't see that this very basic element of the RPM campaign was bungled. This is pretty much Politics 101.

If you concede that the RPM slate may have failed to run a good campaign in a quite fundamental tactical sense, then you have to be genuinely impressed with their strong showing. If only they had had better political instincts, and a little more intuitive understanding of the concerns of Montclair's African American community, they likely would have been celebrating today.

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Stuart Weissman

10:37 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Crafty,

You have a populace that firmly believes all of the fiscal problems can be directly attributed to poor leadership in Trenton. Montclair is proudly progressive. It's why I used to live there. But at some point, the finances must be paid attention to. It's the progressive fabric that so far has allowed property values to hold up relatively well when compared with Montclair's neighbors. Unfortunately, the financial alchemy employed by The Street during the financial crisis is being applied similarly in Montclair. Only the leaders don't realize it. I read a couple days ago where Fried said that our debt rating was still double-A, but does he know how that compares to our neighbors. He also spoke to how far under the state limit on local municipal debt levels that Montclair was. I compare this to someone with a credit card noticing that there's still a little space left before the available balance is maxed out. The only thing keeping this debt experiment alive is the council's lack of transparency on the issue and the low interest rate environment. Fried said one of this council's great accomplishment was that they fixed some of the short-term debt (which Montclair was #2 in the state when it came to percentage of debt that unfixed). Of course, Fried was not forthcoming on what percentage of Montclair's total short-term debt that this represented. Sadly, if the economy recovers, other towns will be able to put the increase in revenues to work. (continued)

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Stuart Weissman

10:44 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Montclair will have to put it to the increasing costs to service their debt. I don't live in Montclair anymore and the services here in Glen Ridge are absolutely fantastic. Perhaps, part of the reason is that Montclair is subsidizing many of our services. And this is the platform that Jackson has chosen to run on. Of course, this means little. Fried's Unity slate ran on a platform of transparency and they did everything in their power to hide Montclair's fiscal problems and make the budget less understandable. I don't even think the council was able to understand it. Their legacy is South Park Street and a BlueWave town lawyer. Let's hope Jackson can do better. Though I honestly feel his slates direction of economic development and selling more of Montclair's overpriced and mismanaged services (net loser) will simply accelerate the gentrification and will do more to damage the fabric than to help it. I sincerely hope I am proven wrong.

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frank rubacky

12:14 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Stuart,
The fact of the matter is that Montclair is the anchor on this side of First Mountain and as we go, so goes Glen Ridge. GR has it's own 'economic bubble' problem. It is a laggard and and smaller. Yet, problems that are systemically similar to Montclair's and with less long-term options. Both towns - and Trenton - will make choices over the next four years yielding outcomes that are hard to predict. One will likely be property tax reform. Another will be Montclair moving its elections to November and changes to our zoning. It is entirely possible Montclair will provide your entire Public Safety services. I could suggest many more.
My point is that I hope this new Council, besides dealing with our Township specific issues, will be successful working with surrounding towns in a bringing in a new era of inter-local collaboration.

Montclair Public

10:56 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I voted for Jackson and do not believe all of the problems were created in Trenton. I am counting on the new team to address the financial issues in town, only with a greater compassion and with the realization that workers (aides, sanitation workers) are human beings, not statistics. The Turner supporters here may not want to realize it but, as Peter said, the slate made mistakes and the venomous dialogue of its supporters on boards like this one freaked people out and into believing it would get an angry facsimile of the Tea Party. Yes, Mark's remarks -- and others, my own included -- were occasionally vitriolic but they were an emotional response to the sense of the Montclair values we appreciate slipping away. Apparently, and thankfully, not yet.
as for the vote, Jackson would have won without Fourth Ward votes. To the more strident Turner supporters, i repeat: your contempt for those who disagreed with you frightened people more than galvanized them.

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LeeAnn Carlson

11:00 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I’d like to thank the residents of Montclair who engaged in a real and substantive debate about the challenges and choices facing our town. I’d also like to thank all our supporters for their commitment to what was a collaborative and ultimately positive effort.

My sincere congratulations and best wishes to our new Mayor and Council.

LeeAnn Carlson

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Kevin

11:32 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Thank you LeeAnn. I think that you, Karen and the RPM slate ran a good campaign and brought a lot of issues to the surface. I hope you will continue your work with CCM and keep these issues in the open.

Montclair Public

11:02 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Stuart,
first time I heard you live in Glen Ridge. Now it all makes sense. Why would you give a damn about preserving integrated schools and the costs (and benefits) of maintaining them with a sense of educational equity? among other things that make Montclair a so much richer place than you'll ever understand

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Ron Mullen

11:43 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

The educational system in Montclair is "BROKEN". The town can't afford it . because of our debt we have truly become the "Little Greece " of New Jersey

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MC

12:22 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Montclair Public -- Just an fyi -- Stuart has been talking about his potential move, and then his actual (relatively recent?) more to GR for what seems like forever.

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Peter Simon

12:36 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Ron,
Your rhetoric is hyperbolic and inaccurate re: the school system in Montclair. The comparison to Greece doesn't help your "argument" either. You just end up sounding shrill and extreme. If you're worried about things and want to persuade people to care about what you care about, you need to try harder to be rhetorically reasonable.

Stuart Weissman

11:07 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

MP...it went both ways equally in my opinion. But that's not really what is important here. Look at the fire contract with Glen Ridge. Look at the animal shelter. Look at the ice rink. Look at the pools. Look at the rotting tennis courts on Upper Mountain Avenue. Look at the potential of the planned assisted living facility to fall off of Montclair's revenue roles. The Jackson slate wouldn't even consider outsourcing, yet he thinks neighboring communities will want to buy services from Montclair where we pay much more for our services than our neighbors due to the compassion that progressives believe is worth paying for. One can't ignore the impact of the capital debt either. I wish Jackson and Montclair luck, but his formula is unlikely to work. The only reason Montclair hasn't collapsed yet is due to the extraordinary low interest rates that the government must maintain to keep the national economy from collapsing. At some point, the economy will recover and the interest rates are going to climb. If history is a model, it will climb rapidly. Rapidly enough for the town to default. I am not fear-mongering here. I am just pointing out what is a real possibly and one that was ignored by Russo and Schlaeger their first time around.

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Stuart Weissman

11:12 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

MP,

I still own an investment property in Montclair. I have a vested interest there. But really, the reason I moved is that the capital debt scares the heck out of me. I didn't want to pay for it so I moved out. I fear the impact it will have on local services going forward and eventually property values if gentrification does not balance out the impact. By the way, I live two home away from Montclair on arguably Montclair's most diverse street. At least that is what the New York Times wrote about it. Most of our friends still live in Montclair and we still love the town as if we were still residents. We simply made the decision to settle down in Glen Ridge for reasons of affordability. But why am I explaining this to you. :P

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Stuart Weissman

11:15 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

One serious question for you MP? In the past decade, Montclair's African American population has dropped by 19%. What do you attribute this too? I attribute it to Montclair's growing lack of affordability, mainly due to the property tax increases. Do you think continuing to raise taxes to maintain the Montclair Ideal is actually serving to maintain that ideal. I firmly believe it is accelerating the gentrification of Montclair. What do you think?

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Peter Simon

11:56 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Stu's right about one thing---Montclair is becoming a more uniformly upper-middle-class-and-higher town. The demographic trend is unmistakeable. Over time, there'll likely be a Glen-Ridge-ification of the parts of Montclair that border Glen Ridge. Fairly basic supply-and-demand trends in the NYC area overall will be at the center of this evolution, especially if the economy in the city makes a strong recovery. During the last boom cycle, housing was insanely expensive everywhere you looked within fifteen miles of Manhattan, and housing prices in Montclair (as everyone knows) shot way, way up. Was Montclair "affordable" then?

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Montclair Public

11:59 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I think you oversimplify black flight and that the housing bubble, now collapsed, contributed greatly to it. people realized what they could sell their homes for and decided to cash in. I do not dispute the assertion that taxes are too high (though i have not been convinced they are dramatically higher than other desirable towns in the region)....but I do not embrace the rhetoric that aims to punish public workers as the reason we are in this fix. there are more compassionate ways to extract givebacks from unions that to just outsource everyone. and as i have asked Andrew: if the less affluent people in the town were the most affected, why were the majority of the Turner signs on the most expensive properties? yes, we desperately want diversity, racial and economic, but we also must also acknowledge that it comes with burdens and responsibilities. I was actually open to Turner until she suggested/asked/whatever that since kids -- yes, hers -- have ipads these days, did we really need libraries. that, to me, suggested life in a bubble, affirmed somewhat when she "got lost" in the south end.

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Montclair Public

12:05 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

i do appreciate Turner and CCM making debt-reduction and taxes a greater part of the dialogue and -- as i said -- i expect the Jackson team to incorporate that into their term. but as i said in my earlier post, the anger on this board and others for "what made Montclair Montclair" frightened many people into passing on Turner. You can't bludgeon people for what they truly believe. It's a game extremists (see Sarah P.) play and why they typically do not resonate. I get that many of you are sincerely concerned with Montclair's financials. But many of your contemptuous colleagues did you and the cause no favors.

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MC

12:19 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

To our new Mayor, Robert Jackson and Council Members: While I was not a Montclair 2012 supporter, I wish you all well and look with anticipation for the actions you will take to address the critical issues facing Montclair aired by all your neighbors during this intense campaign. In addition to the passions expressed, please take the data, facts and analysis that were shared about our Township government and actively use and expand upon them. I hope you also tap the broad range of Montclair citizens' expertise and talent to help ensure the community thrives. I read something interesting this morning that I hope you and all Montclair citizens can take to heart following this campaign: "Label Jars. Not People. .... Though in and of themselves, labels aren't a problem; they become limitations when coupled with a strong sense of liking or disliking. We become attached to our unexamined convictions."
With thanks and regards, Mary Curtin Creaser

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Stuart Weissman

12:41 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Thanks PS/MP. And I think we are in agreement in a lot areas as par usual. Though, I'm not sure how Montclair is going to succeed in selling its services to neighbors while maintaining a progressive stance on their compensation of public workers, regardless of whether or not you agree with it. The next four years will be interesting none the less.

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steve jones

1:14 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

They dubbed it; they didn't dub it. I never said this. I sort of said this. I kind of said this but it was out of context. I see this lady either having a hard time dealing with the truth on some level or not quite as bright as many of her supported held her out to be. Or both.

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john craig

2:14 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

more petty drivel, please post on Baristanet

Adam

2:04 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Sellling services will be tough with our high costs. We need Bob Russo to make up for the damage done in his last term with the increase in debt & Robert Jackson works better than his last term which resulted in a decisive council & 40% increase. These are very low bars. I ask they at least surpass these.

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A. Gideon

3:29 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

"Sellling services will be tough with our high costs. "

It's easy to sell at a loss if one is unwilling (or unable) to determine the actual cost of the service provided.

...Andrew

chris

3:27 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Everytime I read that Fried potato head or Heller-Demolition are "THRILLED WITH THE WAY THE ELECTION TURNED OUT" I want to PUKE! Right there I feel certain we are doomed to more of the same.

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Shelley Emling

3:38 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Please stop making personal attacks... again, stick with the issues.

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Kevin

4:30 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

With this slate being elected, I can't help but be amazed at the impact that the unions and Essex County political machine have on this town. While I wish the newly elected members much luck in the future I can't help but think that we will continue to spend and bond ourselves into a financial disaster. While it might be painful to cure our financial problems ourselves, it is far less painful than the cure that will be imposed on us by the markets.

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Montclair Public

5:13 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

it's always the unions, the unions and the political machine, along with the big-spending liberals.
meanwhile, the GW Bush years by marked by huge federal deficits, wild spending on wars that was never accounted for, expansion of government through the department of homeland security, tax cuts that did little or nothing to stimulate the economy. and when all banking chicanery and housing fraud was done, what did we hear? it was the fault of the unions, the teachers, the sanitation workers. time to come up with something better than that while we're trying to figure a way out of the predicament we were put in by people with great power in government and the private sector.

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Kevin

8:45 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

The union and political machine comments were made in reference to the election results in Montclair, not the state of the national economy.

JerseyGent

3:40 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Peter Simon
"Think about the tactical reality of the RPM campaign. They were running in a town a quarter of which is African American. They did not find an African-American candidate to join their slate. That handicapped their campaign from the starting bell."

Harvey Susswein's For Montclair slate had African American candidate Walter Springer running in Ward 2, but Springer and his entire slate (except for white candidate Bill Hurlock in Ward 1) got walloped and placed a distant 3rd after RPM. How do you account for that?

Your "logic" doesn't hold water and you totally ignore another type of "diversity" which Montclair supposedly prides itself on: a diversity of IDEAS, i.e. maintaining a spectrum of ideology, and RPM certainly did an outstanding job in providing voters with an IDEOLOGICAL alternative.

Also seems your ideal campaign slates are like TV show casting calls, i.e. "an "Asian type," "a Latino type," etc., rather than consisting of genuinely qualified people who are truly capable of solving complex problems.

I'm sure Montclair has no shortage of qualified African Americans, Asians, etc. who are more than capable of solving complex problems but you can't drag someone kicking and screaming into politics if they don't want to participate.

After seeing some of Montclair's most dedicated volunteers get tarnished beyond belief for working on the RPM campaign then I can't blame ANYONE for not wanting to get involved in Montclair politics anymore!

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Peter Simon

10:17 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

JerseyGent,

When commenting on teh internets, it's a good idea to declare the particular 'hat' you're wearing when you make a particular comment. My comment above was made from the perspective of (let's call it) "analysis of political strategy and tactics". Nothing more, nothing less. And from that perspective, what I was saying was this: RPM put on a really impressive showing, but what kept them from winning the whole thing was that they didn't do enough to win hearts and minds across all of Montclair's communities.

RPM's *strategy* was to convince the citizens of Montclair that their platform of fiscal restraint would benefit ALL citizens of Montclair, rich and poor, black and white. That's fine as it goes.

But their *tactics* weren't always aligned with that overall strategy. One very important way that they failed to align tactics with strategy was in presenting a slate that looked economically and racially homogenous--i.e., not representative of the town as a whole. So, if you are lower middle class or poor, and/or African American, what do you think you saw when you looked at the RPM slate? People who intuitively understand your perspective? Or something else?

Re: For Montclair, I think Joseph Fortunato's comment inadvertently identifies their primary tactical shortcoming: very lackluster "get out the vote" efforts. (Also, their decision to stay above the fray during the final week gave the appearance of not wanting the win badly enough.)

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A. Gideon

2:55 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

"not wanting the win badly enough."

I'm disturbed by the antics of many of the candidates, and their paid and volunteer sockpuppets online. Tea party accusations made by people that I know they know to be false, for example, leave me questioning the integrity of too many people in town.

Then I look at an interesting comparison. A few years back, McCain corrected a speaker at one of his events that claimed Obama was a Muslim. More recently, Romney stayed silent when a speaker at one of his events accused Obama of treason. Does that translate to Romney being the better candidate because he wants more badly to win?

This campaign could have been about issues; the slates each represented a different approach to digging Montclair out of our fiscal hole. The differences were not subtle. In a campaign like that, voters would have been educated by the candidates regarding the problems and solutions seen in the candidates' views.

Instead, we get innuendo, hyperbole, and outright lies. This doesn't help voters make informed choices; it actually works against it. Did Montclair 2012 win because more people in Montclair believe that we can develop our way out of this hole? Or did they win because the other two slates were protrayed as somehow "wrong"? How unfortunate that even the winners cannot be sure after a campaign such as this.
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A. Gideon

2:56 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

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I am very disturbed that a slate looking to deal with the issues can be considered "not wanting the win badly enough". Maybe it's not about winning, but about presenting a clear and detailed choice to the voters, and letting them make an informed and untainted decision between the choices available.

Maybe we need politicians that care less about the "win", and more about the town

...Andrew.

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Peter Simon

3:31 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Andrew,

First, I think you give too much weight to the dialogue, such as it is, that went on here and at Baristanet. That dialogue was frequently flat-out offensive and divisive at times. But isn't it conceivable, even in this day and age, that there were more Montclair residents who got their impressions of the candidates from some form of personal contact with them or their supporters than from these two internet hothouses?

If it *is* conceivable, then I would hope that you can concede that it's possible that Jackson pretty consistently impressed the people he talked to or with, and that the other two candidates didn't do so as consistently. The reports that I read and heard described in conversation suggest that Jackson did well in the debate format, for example.

On the dismay you're expressing regarding substance versus surface, of *course* I understand where you're coming from, and I agree on some level, too. But in politics, it has ever been thus. Have you ever read any of (UVA psychologist) Jonathan Haidt's books? His latest, THE RIGHTEOUS MIND, is *so good* on the almost unavoidable role that our emotions play in our deliberations about politics, morality, and so much else.

On the question of whether it's about 'winning': of course it is! If you don't win, you can't do any of the other things you feel you need to do. Again, Politics 101.

BTW, I voted for the For Montclair slate, with my other "at large" vote going to LeAnn Carlson.

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A. Gideon

3:47 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

"On the question of whether it's about 'winning': of course it is! If you don't win, you can't do any of the other things you feel you need to do. Again, Politics 101."

Voting is about choosing between what one candidate feels the need to do and another candidate feels the need to do. If each candidate expresses his or her plan, and the voters choose which they prefer, what is wrong with being the losing candidate? Why the need to win, even if winning means that the voters are not actually choosing the plan they'd choose absent all the hyperbole?

"it's possible that Jackson pretty consistently impressed the people he talked to or with"

Of course. It's also possible that people were swayed to vote as they did because of his claim that RPM engaged in racist attacks, or that they were closet tea partiers. The problem here is that Mr. Jackson cannot know that his plan would be the one chosen by the voters absent all the other noise. Maybe it would be. But maybe it would not be.

I would find that uncertainty discomforting in his place. I personally would much rather present a plan rejected by the voters than win without any certainty that my proposed plan was in fact what brought me the victory.

...Andrew

Joseph A. Fortunato

8:04 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Diversity IS important. It is an ahistorical Neo-con fantasy that we live in a color-blind world (or town). Although the rhetoric may have been rough at times, I congratulate those who raised this criticism of the RPM slate and its policy positions and highlighted this issue. It is a constructive criticism and hope they take it as such if they ever run again.

Although they may not be "Tea Party," per se (or even Republican- I take them at their word), it was correct to point out that the policies advocated by RPM were in essence in harmony with the far right's agenda. By sharpening the issues, those who posted here did the the town a service (and they were often rewarded with ridicule). In the end, Montclair rejected the far right's agenda.

Third, I am very disappointed in Baristanet and, somewhat less so, with the Patch for attempting to create a post-election issue of "outsiders" coming up from (code-word) "Newark" to hand out leaflets. NEWSFLASH: Street money to "Get out the Vote" (GOTV) has been part of political campaigning from time immemorial. In fact, anyone who doesn't do it is probably running an incompetent campaign. The hatchet job in that infamous Baristanet video was even more of an embarassment to Baristanet than to the man interviewed, who just wanted to work for a few dollars.

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A. Gideon

3:08 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

"and they were often rewarded with ridicule"

I might tell one of my children that he's done a foolish thing. I would never call him a fool. Surely, the logic behind this distinction is clear to anyone and the behavior applies equally well to adults.

Why is this any different when dealing with politics? There is a difference between calling a candidate a "tea partier" and pointing out the similarities between the candidate's proposed policies and that of the tea party. The latter is an invitation to discussion. The former is simply a personal attack.

This is so fundamental a concept that there's a common name for the fallacy of attacking the person rather than the position: Ad Homimen.

Fallacious attacks are justifiably pointed out.

...Andrew

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montclairgurl

3:35 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

"Third, I am very disappointed in Baristanet and, somewhat less so, with the Patch for attempting to create a post-election issue of "outsiders" coming up from (code-word) "Newark" to hand out leaflets. "

Considering the flack from the Jackson slate over having local Glenfield students pass out leaflets for the RPM slate, upon learning Jackson was doing exactly the same thing using out of town (West Orange, code for West Orange) students to do the same. This is not creating an issue. This is an issue.

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A. Gideon

3:51 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Since I believe that a program which provides credit for community service should absolutely include the option of serving a political campaign, and since my kids will shortly age into Glenfield, this is an issue to which I will give continued attention.

Esp. if the incoming administration is willing to use students earning credit in this way from other school districts, there's no reason to deny our students the same opportunity to serve while earning credit.

...Andrew

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Peter Simon

4:17 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

I definitely agree with you, there, Andrew. That is why, long before the election, many people--myself included--were so put off by the ad hominem attacks, snide taunts, and hyperbolic rhetoric that was repeatedly posted by the (mostly anonymous) commenters on B'net and Patch who later became some of RPM's most ardent defenders in these forums. They didn't do RPM any favors.

Crafty Spiker

3:23 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Getting elected and governing effectively are two very different skill sets. That's what the Electoral College is about. Mr. Jackson is apparently an effective campaigner; let's hope he makes a great mayor.

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